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	Comments on: Blinded by Science: Mat Lalonde Urges Paleo Bloggers to Look Through the Wrong End of the Microscope	</title>
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		By: battery charger for panasonic lumix		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[This article is very useful, thx! Much appreciated info!]]></description>
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		By: JoAnne Harbert Bhati		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2013 13:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The beginning of the talk isn&#039;t on that video. What was the point he was making at the beginning about Robert Lustig?

Also, I want to complain for a minute. My complaint does not invalidate the data that scientists such as Mat are sharing. However, I just wonder why so many scientists seem to have such enormous egos? When I see someone like Mat who is so intelligent, and has such a great potential to further good nutrition make his flippant, arrogant remarks, it does such a disservice to him. Lots of arrogant scientists regularly post comments with condescending flavor on Stephan Guyenet&#039;s blog, too. You didn&#039;t mention this in your piece about marketing, but it&#039;s true. It&#039;s very off-putting.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The beginning of the talk isn&#039;t on that video. What was the point he was making at the beginning about Robert Lustig?</p>
<p>Also, I want to complain for a minute. My complaint does not invalidate the data that scientists such as Mat are sharing. However, I just wonder why so many scientists seem to have such enormous egos? When I see someone like Mat who is so intelligent, and has such a great potential to further good nutrition make his flippant, arrogant remarks, it does such a disservice to him. Lots of arrogant scientists regularly post comments with condescending flavor on Stephan Guyenet&#039;s blog, too. You didn&#039;t mention this in your piece about marketing, but it&#039;s true. It&#039;s very off-putting.</p>
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		By: Jmreily88		</title>
		<link>https://evolvify.com/mat-lalonde-paleo-bloggers-science#comment-1497</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2012 07:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What are Mat&#039;s views on the China Study? ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are Mat&#8217;s views on the China Study? </p>
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		By: Mark Trenkle		</title>
		<link>https://evolvify.com/mat-lalonde-paleo-bloggers-science#comment-1496</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 07:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I guess the main question is this: do you want paleo blogs to sway people or do you want them to be right? His assumption is that everyone would want all their blogs to be factually accurate (which I&#039;d agree with) whereas some just want their stuff that is mostly true, but perhaps misleading at times.

So would you rather be a scientific journal or a documentary, basically. I applaud anyone for promoting science. If you want to believe in something you should probably have evidence for it and not &quot;well our ancestors...&quot; or &quot;well my cousin...&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess the main question is this: do you want paleo blogs to sway people or do you want them to be right? His assumption is that everyone would want all their blogs to be factually accurate (which I&#8217;d agree with) whereas some just want their stuff that is mostly true, but perhaps misleading at times.</p>
<p>So would you rather be a scientific journal or a documentary, basically. I applaud anyone for promoting science. If you want to believe in something you should probably have evidence for it and not &#8220;well our ancestors&#8230;&#8221; or &#8220;well my cousin&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		By: Neal matheson		</title>
		<link>https://evolvify.com/mat-lalonde-paleo-bloggers-science#comment-1495</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jan 2012 11:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ Another late comer, but I only watched the AHS lecture yesterday, I agree in main with most of what has been written in these comments. I found in general the talk to be rather a long winded way of getting to his final comments about &quot;bell curves&quot; and not making absolute statements. I found the science far less informative, or indeed relevant, than that presented in Dr. Lustig&#039;s lecture. 
 As for the need for Core scientists to be swayed or&#039; brought over&#039;  as far as I know the US (and UK) dietary guidlelines have not been based on a sound scientific base, so the need for core scientists being on board to establish credibility eludes me as they clearly can&#039;t have been in order for the grain heavy, fat phobic  paradigm to be dominant.  Indeed think about the poor scientific case for vegetarianism let alone veganism and how these dietary adventures are given not only credence but supported in mainstream health. 
 Having given up bread a weird persistent heartburn has disappeared but I have to admit the anti-nutrient arguments were to me never the main argument for adopting a Paleo-diet. The destruction of the lipid hypotheis has been far more instrumental in me going &#039;all the way&#039; and I would argue more important in legitamising the paleo-paradigm. Moreover surely it is the lipid-hypothesis that is the cause for concern for modern health companies and doctors. 
 I can&#039;t finish as I would like as my daughter is having a cry but I think I have roughly made my point.

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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> Another late comer, but I only watched the AHS lecture yesterday, I agree in main with most of what has been written in these comments. I found in general the talk to be rather a long winded way of getting to his final comments about &#8220;bell curves&#8221; and not making absolute statements. I found the science far less informative, or indeed relevant, than that presented in Dr. Lustig&#8217;s lecture. <br />
 As for the need for Core scientists to be swayed or&#8217; brought over&#8217;  as far as I know the US (and UK) dietary guidlelines have not been based on a sound scientific base, so the need for core scientists being on board to establish credibility eludes me as they clearly can&#8217;t have been in order for the grain heavy, fat phobic  paradigm to be dominant.  Indeed think about the poor scientific case for vegetarianism let alone veganism and how these dietary adventures are given not only credence but supported in mainstream health. <br />
 Having given up bread a weird persistent heartburn has disappeared but I have to admit the anti-nutrient arguments were to me never the main argument for adopting a Paleo-diet. The destruction of the lipid hypotheis has been far more instrumental in me going &#8216;all the way&#8217; and I would argue more important in legitamising the paleo-paradigm. Moreover surely it is the lipid-hypothesis that is the cause for concern for modern health companies and doctors. <br />
 I can&#8217;t finish as I would like as my daughter is having a cry but I think I have roughly made my point.</p>
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		By: Peto		</title>
		<link>https://evolvify.com/mat-lalonde-paleo-bloggers-science#comment-1494</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2011 13:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evolvify.com/mat-lalonde-paleo-bloggers-science#comment-1492&quot;&gt;LukeOZ&lt;/a&gt;.

Coming from a post-communist country, I agree. During the communists rule, there was no environmentalism to speak of, and after 20 years, we are still recovering from the industrialism. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://evolvify.com/mat-lalonde-paleo-bloggers-science#comment-1492">LukeOZ</a>.</p>
<p>Coming from a post-communist country, I agree. During the communists rule, there was no environmentalism to speak of, and after 20 years, we are still recovering from the industrialism. </p>
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		By: PaleoPeriodical		</title>
		<link>https://evolvify.com/mat-lalonde-paleo-bloggers-science#comment-1493</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Sep 2011 21:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sorry Andrew, just stumbled on this...

In answer to your second question up there, it&#039;s clear the scientific minutiae is really exciting for a minority, which we can see unfolding in the Guyenet vs. Taubes debate. There are sites by folks such as Kurt Harris and Don Matesz that I just don&#039;t find myself checking in with very often. I&#039;m a smart cookie, but I just can&#039;t wrangle with the particulars and the nitty-gritty of the science. I think it&#039;s great that the eggheads have a place to discuss these things, and I think it furthers the field.

But I&#039;m far more interested in what this means in daily life. Because at the end of the day, you can debate macronutrients and anti-nutrients yadda yadda yadda, but what&#039;s on your plate? What are you sending to school with your kids? What makes you feel vital? I think it&#039;s important to have a foundation in the basics, but it&#039;s definitely not necessary to understand the larger message.

I worry that hardcore science can scare folks off. And my personal feeling is that this message is too important to let it go unheard. Yet Taubes takes flak for dumbing it down for the layperson.

As an example, I came across an interesting thread on Mark Sisson&#039;s forum asking whether anyone there was a race other than white. It was asked with sensitivity, but it highlighted the divide here. So if science wants to keep the Paleo party for themselves, there will be a tiny population of white scientists dorking out together. But we aren&#039;t going to be selling the real food message to the rest of the world that way.

Sure, some people come to this for the science, and that&#039;s great. Some people come for weight loss or performance or health issues or leaning out. Great. It&#039;s ALL valid.

I&#039;d be curious about your take on how to market this successfully to a wider audience. I have several thoughts on the matter (I used to work in marketing myself) and am working myself up to a huge blog post about it. I realize I&#039;m not on the larger Paleo radar, but I&#039;d love to hear your thoughts on it. I also hope the issue is addressed at AHS next year. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Andrew, just stumbled on this&#8230;</p>
<p>In answer to your second question up there, it&#039;s clear the scientific minutiae is really exciting for a minority, which we can see unfolding in the Guyenet vs. Taubes debate. There are sites by folks such as Kurt Harris and Don Matesz that I just don&#039;t find myself checking in with very often. I&#039;m a smart cookie, but I just can&#039;t wrangle with the particulars and the nitty-gritty of the science. I think it&#039;s great that the eggheads have a place to discuss these things, and I think it furthers the field.</p>
<p>But I&#039;m far more interested in what this means in daily life. Because at the end of the day, you can debate macronutrients and anti-nutrients yadda yadda yadda, but what&#039;s on your plate? What are you sending to school with your kids? What makes you feel vital? I think it&#039;s important to have a foundation in the basics, but it&#039;s definitely not necessary to understand the larger message.</p>
<p>I worry that hardcore science can scare folks off. And my personal feeling is that this message is too important to let it go unheard. Yet Taubes takes flak for dumbing it down for the layperson.</p>
<p>As an example, I came across an interesting thread on Mark Sisson&#039;s forum asking whether anyone there was a race other than white. It was asked with sensitivity, but it highlighted the divide here. So if science wants to keep the Paleo party for themselves, there will be a tiny population of white scientists dorking out together. But we aren&#039;t going to be selling the real food message to the rest of the world that way.</p>
<p>Sure, some people come to this for the science, and that&#039;s great. Some people come for weight loss or performance or health issues or leaning out. Great. It&#039;s ALL valid.</p>
<p>I&#039;d be curious about your take on how to market this successfully to a wider audience. I have several thoughts on the matter (I used to work in marketing myself) and am working myself up to a huge blog post about it. I realize I&#039;m not on the larger Paleo radar, but I&#039;d love to hear your thoughts on it. I also hope the issue is addressed at AHS next year. </p>
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		By: LukeOZ		</title>
		<link>https://evolvify.com/mat-lalonde-paleo-bloggers-science#comment-1492</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Sep 2011 01:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evolvify.com/mat-lalonde-paleo-bloggers-science#comment-1454&quot;&gt;D.Bandler&lt;/a&gt;.

If environmentalism has cost our economy trillions, unconstrained industrialism would have cost immeasurably more had the few constraints imposed by environmentalism been removed. The only difference would be who would pay--it would be our children, their grandchildren, and so on. If leaving them some pristine wilderness is costly, I&#039;m willing to pay.  If leaving them with fresh water and clean air is expensive, so be it.

In fact we MUST pay.  I won&#039;t debate you on carbon emissions translating to warming, because I&#039;m not sure I believe it myself. But there&#039;s no question carbon emissions, e.g. from coal, are harmful--we know coal emissions lead to acid rain, to increased mercury in watersheds, and there&#039;s no question that these pollutants are extremely harmful.

 ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://evolvify.com/mat-lalonde-paleo-bloggers-science#comment-1454">D.Bandler</a>.</p>
<p>If environmentalism has cost our economy trillions, unconstrained industrialism would have cost immeasurably more had the few constraints imposed by environmentalism been removed. The only difference would be who would pay&#8211;it would be our children, their grandchildren, and so on. If leaving them some pristine wilderness is costly, I&#039;m willing to pay.  If leaving them with fresh water and clean air is expensive, so be it.</p>
<p>In fact we MUST pay.  I won&#039;t debate you on carbon emissions translating to warming, because I&#039;m not sure I believe it myself. But there&#039;s no question carbon emissions, e.g. from coal, are harmful&#8211;we know coal emissions lead to acid rain, to increased mercury in watersheds, and there&#039;s no question that these pollutants are extremely harmful.</p>
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		By: Lynn		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Sep 2011 13:43:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evolvify.com/mat-lalonde-paleo-bloggers-science#comment-1468&quot;&gt;Sean R.&lt;/a&gt;.

In response to your 4th point...When I tried to explain my new plan to my health care provider, she stated that this is not a healthy diet (although my bloodwork was fantastic).  She sent me to a nutritionist who carefully outlined the things I need to reintroduce into my diet.  Basically, it was an intervention.

Although I thought I understood why I changed to paleo before I walked into the doctor&#039;s office, I was unable to defend myself.  I left with a list of items to buy at the grocery store and a food log to fill out and bring back in 6 weeks.

The people who need this diet the most are the ones who are seeing health care professionals who only follow published medical literature and best practices.   ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://evolvify.com/mat-lalonde-paleo-bloggers-science#comment-1468">Sean R.</a>.</p>
<p>In response to your 4th point&#8230;When I tried to explain my new plan to my health care provider, she stated that this is not a healthy diet (although my bloodwork was fantastic).  She sent me to a nutritionist who carefully outlined the things I need to reintroduce into my diet.  Basically, it was an intervention.</p>
<p>Although I thought I understood why I changed to paleo before I walked into the doctor&#039;s office, I was unable to defend myself.  I left with a list of items to buy at the grocery store and a food log to fill out and bring back in 6 weeks.</p>
<p>The people who need this diet the most are the ones who are seeing health care professionals who only follow published medical literature and best practices.   </p>
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		By: Katherine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2011 01:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://evolvify.com/mat-lalonde-paleo-bloggers-science#comment-1489&quot;&gt;v&lt;/a&gt;.

&#034;bloggers without a strong science background do not understand the studies that use to support advice they give on their blogs. they can give incorrect advice which can be harmful.&#034;

Absolutely.   The same can be said for some non-paleo bloggers with strong science backgrounds.

It happens all the time, everywhere in science.  All. The. Time.  Bias is everywhere.  Misunderstandings abound.  It doesn&#039;t mean we shouldn&#039;t be aware and try to avoid this because we should but realize that it is everywhere. It&#039;s the nature of science. The nature of cognitive function.  The nature of being human.

I spend more time than I care to reading original journal articles.  The number of abstracts alone that do not accurately represent the article is mindboggling.   Then onto the study design, control v. treatment group, conclusions and it&#039;s nearly unbearable how much poorly done science is out there. As one friend says &#034;it&#039;s hard not to loose what little faith in humanity (or in this case science) that I have left&#034;.

I agree that it can be dangerous, but so can the nutritional science (and dogma) of the last 50 years.  The paleosphere, mistakes, warts and all, is doing better than most. ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://evolvify.com/mat-lalonde-paleo-bloggers-science#comment-1489">v</a>.</p>
<p>&quot;bloggers without a strong science background do not understand the studies that use to support advice they give on their blogs. they can give incorrect advice which can be harmful.&quot;</p>
<p>Absolutely.   The same can be said for some non-paleo bloggers with strong science backgrounds.</p>
<p>It happens all the time, everywhere in science.  All. The. Time.  Bias is everywhere.  Misunderstandings abound.  It doesn&#039;t mean we shouldn&#039;t be aware and try to avoid this because we should but realize that it is everywhere. It&#039;s the nature of science. The nature of cognitive function.  The nature of being human.</p>
<p>I spend more time than I care to reading original journal articles.  The number of abstracts alone that do not accurately represent the article is mindboggling.   Then onto the study design, control v. treatment group, conclusions and it&#039;s nearly unbearable how much poorly done science is out there. As one friend says &quot;it&#039;s hard not to loose what little faith in humanity (or in this case science) that I have left&quot;.</p>
<p>I agree that it can be dangerous, but so can the nutritional science (and dogma) of the last 50 years.  The paleosphere, mistakes, warts and all, is doing better than most. </p>
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